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Psychotic Monk
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Posted - 2013.02.05 01:20:00 -
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For the full story, have a blog post: I love links.
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Psychotic Monk
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Posted - 2013.02.05 09:01:00 -
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You sincerely think that things done inside this game are the same as things done outside this game?
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Psychotic Monk
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Posted - 2013.02.05 15:47:00 -
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The options available to him should someone harass his family include such things as restraining orders and pressing charges.
That seems like legal matters to me.
Yim, part of this game is other people interfering with your game play. Not accepting it is like not accepting that your opponent can charge you rent when you land on his property in Monopoly. When you get charged rent in Monopoly that's not bullying.
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Psychotic Monk
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:08:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:LOL U SUCK CRY MOAR NOOB GB2 WOW.
PLAY MY WAY OR I KEEP YOU FROM DOING YOUR THING U NOOB U SUCK GTFO LOLOL YOU FAIL YOU SHULD AN HERO.
I can't speak for everyone in my profession, but I'm on speaking terms with most of the best people in my in-game profession and I can tell you that outburts like the above are not the norm for us. And they certainly did not happen in this case. We were very civil. We were certainly firm in our positions, but very civil.
In fact, the sort of thing you used as an example above occasionally gets heaped upon us and we take it *as* tears.
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Psychotic Monk
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:57:00 -
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Are you proposing that before we adversly effect someone's gameplay we should ask them questions about their mental state and if losing these pixels will cause them to feel anguish?
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Psychotic Monk
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Posted - 2013.02.05 21:21:00 -
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I frequently use the Monopoly analogy, but let me use two others and see if that resonates with you.
1) You've bought a movie ticket. The movie you went to see is depressing. You went to it anyways and underestimated exactly how sad the movie is. You find yourself feeling actually super sad. What do you do? Do you just sit there and being soul-crushingly depressed? Do you go to the theater manager or the studio that made the film and demand a reissue or an apology or a refund? Do you simply leave?
In my opinion, only one of those is an appropriate reaction.
2) You've entered into an MMA tournament. You get hit. It hurts. Do you harass your opponent's family and friends after the match? Do you make sure you harden up before the next fight? Do you immediately surrender the match and quit the tournament? (Two of these are appropriate responses.)
Eve is a cutthroat game. No one has ever tried to sell it as anything else. It is the brain equivalent of a full contact sport. If you don't wanna get punched you don't get into a boxing ring. If you can't tolerate having your ships blown up and you carebear assumptions that you brought in from somewhere else questioned, then don't play eve.
There's are thousands of non-contact MMOs. We only have one full-contact MMO.
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Psychotic Monk
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Posted - 2013.02.05 21:26:00 -
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You can't live your life based on the assumption that you could, at any time, be dealing with an unreasonable crazy person. Instead, if you happen across a crazy person, you deal with it appropriately.
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Psychotic Monk
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Posted - 2013.02.05 21:32:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:
Again, the blowing up isn't my problem, it's what follows....why are people not getting this?
Because the only thing that has happened here is that his ship got blown up and we demanded isk or assets from him in order for him to get out of a rough spot. Those are completely acceptable and normal things within the context of this game.
Check the chat logs. We didn't call him names. We didn't tell him he was a terrible human being.
And that's not just *us*. In my experience that's most of the people in our profession. There are exceptions, obviously, but by far, in our line of work, the dominate trend is to speak rationally and enjoy what tears we get as a side effect. This isn't howler monkeys gibbering at each other.
And yes, many of us enjoy the tears we get. It shows us we're doing our job well in the same way that swollen eyes show a fighter he's winning or that a crack in an opponents poker face tells you that you've played your hand better.
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Psychotic Monk
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Posted - 2013.02.05 21:35:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:You can't live your life based on the assumption that you could, at any time, be dealing with an unreasonable crazy person. Instead, if you happen across a crazy person, you deal with it appropriately. A differing world view. Hope for the best, expect the worst. The way the world is going, it is best to be very careful with everyone you deal with unless you know them well. It is irresponsible to assume a stranger is a kind hearted level headed soul willing to take jabs and trolling, in game or the real world (especially the later).
Why? This is a game in which your opponent being put off-balance is a huge factor in victory or defeat? If I step into an MMA ring should I assume my opponent has a thin skull, or should I assume that he or his trainer wouldn't have put him in the ring if that's the case?
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Psychotic Monk
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Posted - 2013.02.05 21:50:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:
A cage fight is a very different situation than a verbal confrontation with a potentially psychotic individual.
I'm not sure that it is. You step into a cage assuming everyone there knows what they're getting into and is there on purpose. You step into this game assuming everyone is aware of the nature of the game and feels themselves capable to be there.
You say you see this sort of verbal abuse and in my areas of the game I don't see it. Even the dudes doing this sort of work that I personally detest aren't just flat out calling people names. The only place I've seen the sort of behaviour you describe is from a big blob of TEST (or sometimes individual TESTies.) I don't see it in highsec except coming from carebears towards my kind. I've got plenty of examples of that.
As a quick aside: the bi-partisanship is unfortunate, but given the bloc of whining that has proven in the past that they can cause CCP to buff a ship's EHP because they refuse to defend themselves or have other changes pushed through that are direct attacks on us. This caused a removal of the many shades of grey on our side when it became clear that carebears were getting results by all singing from the same hymn.
We can't afford to not defend ourselves in a fairly cohesive manner.
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Psychotic Monk
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Posted - 2013.02.05 22:14:00 -
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Sorry, Ally. I'll try to get murdered next time.
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